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		<title>By: Merrick</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Figure!

Dwarvish
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Figure!</p>
<p>Dwarvish<br />
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		<title>By: Christian Cryder</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Cryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you kill me! *PMUOTF, LOL* :-)

And I wasn't trying to say that you didn't have one of yourself, I was just guessing that you probably don't typically think of yourself that way (and judging by the fact that you said, 'Thomas Kinkade painting'...) But don't worry - I'm sure Karyn has a mental image for you as well.

And I'll bet hers is not a tree.

And with that I'll shut up and go back to work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you kill me! *PMUOTF, LOL* <img src='http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I wasn&#8217;t trying to say that you didn&#8217;t have one of yourself, I was just guessing that you probably don&#8217;t typically think of yourself that way (and judging by the fact that you said, &#8216;Thomas Kinkade painting&#8217;&#8230;) But don&#8217;t worry - I&#8217;m sure Karyn has a mental image for you as well.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll bet hers is not a tree.</p>
<p>And with that I&#8217;ll shut up and go back to work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the Foolish Sage</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>the Foolish Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mental image of myself? It's a Thomas Kinkade painting :lol:

I'm interested in why you think I would not have one...and also why you are trying to ruin my marriage! Sheesh, why don't you just humiliate me all the way and ask if I know my wife's dress size?

OK...I'm going to take a stab at Karyn's mental self-image...and probably spend the night on the couch.

I say...a tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mental image of myself? It&#8217;s a Thomas Kinkade painting <img src='http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in why you think I would not have one&#8230;and also why you are trying to ruin my marriage! Sheesh, why don&#8217;t you just humiliate me all the way and ask if I know my wife&#8217;s dress size?</p>
<p>OK&#8230;I&#8217;m going to take a stab at Karyn&#8217;s mental self-image&#8230;and probably spend the night on the couch.</p>
<p>I say&#8230;a tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Karyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian, totally tracking with you... but I'm not telling. That would make it too easy (and reveal too much).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian, totally tracking with you&#8230; but I&#8217;m not telling. That would make it too easy (and reveal too much).</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Cryder</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Cryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! If I was a betting man, I would have just cashed in.

This is a really 'artistically nuanced' question (that's not quite right either, but I can't think of anything better). I'll see if I can explain.

I have a pet theory that some people (probably an introspective, imaginative, artistically inclined minority) actually have a mental picture of themselves, not so much like looking in a mirror, but more like seeing themseleves on stage in a drama, either as a particular character, or a particular creature, etc. And I suspect that they revisit that image frequently throughout their lives - the scene may change, sometimes the costume or characters are a little different, sometimes they swap it our for different images altogether - but they always thinking of themselves in this way, looking for the image that fits them best.

It's kind of like music or poetry - where you see a mental image, except that instead of just seeing a picture that the song/poem/art is about, you see yourself in the song/poem/art, and something inside resonates deeply that this is real, right, true, this is ME.

Now I don't KNOW that any of this is really the case. I suspect that most people probably don't ever think of themselves this way. But yesterday I thought, "I'll bet Karyn thinks of herself this way" (or something similar at least). And I also thought, "I'll be Mark doesn't really think of himself this way." And I'm guessing now that I was probably right - Mark is probably still scratching his head going "what on earth has Christian been smoking?" And maybe Karyn is too, for that matter.

So Karyn, are you going to say anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! If I was a betting man, I would have just cashed in.</p>
<p>This is a really &#8216;artistically nuanced&#8217; question (that&#8217;s not quite right either, but I can&#8217;t think of anything better). I&#8217;ll see if I can explain.</p>
<p>I have a pet theory that some people (probably an introspective, imaginative, artistically inclined minority) actually have a mental picture of themselves, not so much like looking in a mirror, but more like seeing themseleves on stage in a drama, either as a particular character, or a particular creature, etc. And I suspect that they revisit that image frequently throughout their lives - the scene may change, sometimes the costume or characters are a little different, sometimes they swap it our for different images altogether - but they always thinking of themselves in this way, looking for the image that fits them best.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like music or poetry - where you see a mental image, except that instead of just seeing a picture that the song/poem/art is about, you see yourself in the song/poem/art, and something inside resonates deeply that this is real, right, true, this is ME.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t KNOW that any of this is really the case. I suspect that most people probably don&#8217;t ever think of themselves this way. But yesterday I thought, &#8220;I&#8217;ll bet Karyn thinks of herself this way&#8221; (or something similar at least). And I also thought, &#8220;I&#8217;ll be Mark doesn&#8217;t really think of himself this way.&#8221; And I&#8217;m guessing now that I was probably right - Mark is probably still scratching his head going &#8220;what on earth has Christian been smoking?&#8221; And maybe Karyn is too, for that matter.</p>
<p>So Karyn, are you going to say anything?</p>
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		<title>By: the Foolish Sage</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>the Foolish Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure what we mean by a "mental picture." Do we mean a place or an object...or something else?</description>
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		<title>By: Christian Cryder</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Cryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, you DO have one. Ok Mark (or daughters), tell us what it is.</description>
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		<title>By: Karyn</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>Karyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The better question would be can Mark tell you what my own mental picture is (and vice versa).

I'll bet my daughters can describe mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The better question would be can Mark tell you what my own mental picture is (and vice versa).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet my daughters can describe mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Cryder</title>
		<link>http://rmfo-blogs.com/lsw/archives/2005/11/14/surprise-surprise/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Cryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, on the other hand, am a &lt;a href="http://granitepeaks.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Numenorean: Graceful, Digified, Tragic&lt;/a&gt; (and in love with long swords). So I'm very tempted to ask what will probably seem like a bizarre question, Karyn: do you have a mental metaphor to describe yourself? In other words, is there a picture or scene in your minds eye that captures who you are? Same question for Mark. (and 3:1 odds that K has an answer for this, but M doesn't).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, on the other hand, am a <a href="http://granitepeaks.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Numenorean: Graceful, Digified, Tragic</a> (and in love with long swords). So I&#8217;m very tempted to ask what will probably seem like a bizarre question, Karyn: do you have a mental metaphor to describe yourself? In other words, is there a picture or scene in your minds eye that captures who you are? Same question for Mark. (and 3:1 odds that K has an answer for this, but M doesn&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: Sacred Journey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Because No One Is Entirely On My Side - Blog of Mark Traphagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacred Journey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Because No One Is Entirely On My Side - Blog of Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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